SQUARE PEGS INTO ROUND HOLES: Lucas Duda, Ike Davis, Josh Satin, Wilmer Flores, etc.

Mike:

Reports are that Lucas Duda is not that far from returning. You can never have enough players, so I wouldn’t call this a problem, exactly. But if we don’t handle this correctly it could become one. First order of business; I think we have seen enough of Duda in the outfield. He can’t play it.

Jimmy:

Agreed. The duplication of talents between Davis and Duda (and to a lesser extent, Murphy) has been an ongoing problem for this organization. Sandy needs to remove one of those guys.

Mike:

Lucas_DudaNow barring a trade, Duda could spend some time at first base. Right now we are using a Davis/Satin platoon. When people talk about hanging on to Davis his power potential is usually the stated reason. Duda has power too, maybe a little less than Ike, but he has never hit the mind-numbing depths Davis has either. Incredibly he also projects to be cheaper than Davis in 2014. In fact, I’ve said this before, but don’t we almost have to non-tender Davis now? And then why would he accept? It all points to using Duda at first with Satin for me. They might give us enough to feel comfortable that it is a possible cheap option for 2014 as we fill other slots. And as far as 2013, Duda should certainly be able to give us as much as Davis has since he came back from Las Vegas. I have read where Ike is on a short leash. I would prefer one of those electronic bracelets, with Davis getting a shock if he was out of range of Caesars Palace.

Jimmy:

Meanwhile, Josh Satin quietly does the job. So, yes, I would be okay with a platoon of Duda and Satin at 1B, hoping for league-average production out of that combination — cheap! Bigger fish to fry.

Mike:

Yes, and it might be time for the organization to consider Flores a future first baseman too. He is getting time there now. I strongly advocated playing Flores at second in the past but we need speed and defense in our lineup to succeed at Citi Field. Wilmer at second does not fit that model.

Jimmy:

Square-Peg-1Yeah, I guess I don’t see that. The truth is, Sandy inherited a lopsided organization, talented in some areas, desperately low in others. I go back to the trade of Collin McHugh for Eric Young. It was not a splashy deal, but it was such a sound baseball move — and it only took 2 1/2 years. I’m tired of watching the organization try to jam square pegs into round holes (Lucas Duda in LF is a prime example). There’s got to be a point when you say, “Hey, let’s go out and get some round pegs!”

 

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10 comments

  1. Eraff says:

    This is NOT an Omar defense, but it may be a defense of REALITY. Minor League systems almost ALWAYS lack balance in terms of specific positions and progression/development cycles for specific players.

    The basic acquisition mode is the draft, almost exclusively related to raw talent and very specific skills—NOT POSITION. Drafting 17-21 year old players for the purpose of receiving a 23-26 year old Major League player is very far removed from any other “production cycle”.

    As for the flawed organization that Sandy Inherited. It was a team with some very significant talent. It was also a team operating on a high octane Major League budget. I accept the fact that they didn’t forecast Re-Signing Beltran, but they have spent 4 years NOT REFILLING MLB needs.

    I would argue that “re-filling” the Beltran Vacancy, RE-SIGNING Reyes, and avoiding the Pagan Trade ( this was about money too!!!) would have placed this team in a very different position today….. I believe they’d be contending in the thick of a Playoff run…..and their Minor League/Young Pitcher mix would be very similar…..with the exception of Sydergaard—and I’d easily have passed on that deal if it also meant passing on a string of 90 loss seasons in exchange for an actual Big Market Team in a Big Market Town.

    SO…it’s a “sort of plea”…. don’t bury Omar TOO DEEPLY…..and don’t defend “doing very little” for Baseball Genius—they’ve just taken their wallets to hide. NOW is when they earn their stripes….They Should be ON THE CLOCK— April 2014…This should be a Playoff Contender—No Excuses and no “look backs”.

  2. I don’t see any real complaints about Omar in the above post, beyond recognizing that it was/is a lopsided organization. Strong in pitching, weak in position players. Implicit in that, also, was the remarkable amount of poor fielders among our best hitting prospects, guys with no real positions (Flores, Satin, Murphy, etc). We are coming to the end of Sandy’s third full year. It’s on him to construct a team that works. It’s difficult for me to kill him on the money thing.

  3. Brian Joura says:

    I’m glad that you are advocating Duda over Davis.

    To me, the question is not Murphy or Flores at second base — it’s Murphy or EY Jr. It will be curious to see how Young’s stats look at the end of the season and how the front office evaluates him.

    • Michael Geus says:

      I’m with you 100% on Young at second base. That is why Flores might not fit the team, or if he does he has to show he can hit enough to play first. We know he can’t play third for us. It’s the same thing with Murphy, who I happen to like a lot. He is a major league second baseman, but is he the right one for this team? We need to build a team, not a collection of misfit parts.

      Speed and defense have been ignored for years, a big mistake when you play at Citi Field.

    • Michael Geus says:

      I like Duda as a hitter, and would like to see him get more at bats the rest of the way. I never thought he could play in the outfield for us if we wanted to win. Wrong guy, wrong park. Since our management decided to tank 2013 anyway I liked playing both Ike and Duda playing so we could get a look at both.Duda outperformed Davis, and with a half season before 2014 it seems silly to throw Lucas back into the outfield. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised to see an uptick in his offense if he plays first.

      And again, if Duda falters badly the rest of the way that is useful information. I keep harping on this, so sorry, but what could Ike possibly do that would indicate he will hit in 2014?

      He could bat .500 the rest of the way and I would be scared to go with him again.

  4. Leo Raffle says:

    How is it difficult for you to “kill him on the money thing”? I think it’s very easy –All you need to do is revisit the Non-tender of Reyes- Doesn’t THAT ALONE make it very easy to “kill him on the money thing”? In reality – the Reyes debacle was also as much a matter of missing on a “baseball-decision”- actually multiple baseball decisions at varying times during the process.- as it was an issue of missing on a Money Decision (actually multiple money decisions). They faulty Money Decisions led to a disastrous FINAL Baseball outcome… FIrst- They didn’t trade him- — SOMEWHERE in that decision there was a “money thing” consideration, wasn’t there? If they knew they weren’t going to sign him or offer him even a low qualifying offer- didn’t that mean they should have traded him? When they didn’t trade him – didn’t that indicate that they had made a MONEY decision — Ie: they were going to at least give an offer? That was MONEY DECISION mistake #1– Then, in Reyes Free Agency period- The Mets- Alderson didn’t understand the market- If he did, he would have realized that Reyes was going to fetch more than the qualifying offer, and he would have ended up with draft choices. And if Reyes did accept- . Worst-case scenario was that Reyes would be signing a low-ball Qualifying Offer, and the Mets would have ended up with VALUE & two all-stars on the left side for another 3-5 years. That was Money Decision Mistake #2— The whole Reyes ordeal from beginning to end was forged on a succession of Bad Money Decisions leading to Bad Baseball decisions- and Alderson had numerous opportunities to GET IT RIGHT. Alderson made two Money Decisions in the process- each of which precluded the Mets from either; bringing talent into the organization, or keeping the talent they already had in place (Reyes). And the two decisions seemed to have been made with completely different sets of logic. The first one- Not Trading Reyes Indicated that they would have money to at least make an offer… The Second one would indicate that they did not. Two fastballs, down the middle… WHIFF, WHIFF… In Sandy’s Words “A BAD APPROACH”:::>>> KILL HIM, NOW!

  5. Alan K. says:

    I really wouldn’t be surprised if the Mets kept Davis. I think they’re afraid that he’d blossom with another organization. Since Alderson has already expressed the opinion that Duda is not a core player, I think he’d have to be very impressive the rest of the way to change the Mets’ thinking.

    • I’ll tell you, I understand that fear. Moreover, Alderson comes from a “risk averse” style of management (Bill Parcells school of coaching, for example). Ike has more upside than Lucas, IMO, whereas Duda’s basement is likely not quite as low as Davis’s.

      • Michael Geus says:

        Keeping Davis means paying Davis. They have been consistently averse to doing that since Madoff.

        I expect Ike is not back in 2014.

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