NEWS & VIEWS: Scoring the Marlon Byrd Trade, John Delcos Advises We “Stay the Course!”, Just Say “No” to Mike Morse, Jose Abreu, Metstradamus, and More

Mike:

Marlon Byrd continues to produce. It seems like every time he does something, I see a tweet from a Pittsburgh fan claiming to have “won” that trade. I’ve seen replies back from Mets fans that Pittsburgh only wins the trade if Byrd signs with the Pirates after the season. Next the Vic BlackPittsburgh side debates back with that depends on what Black and Herrera ultimately provide. Now, sure, someday all the facts come in on trades and they can be fully evaluated. It’s fun to look back at these things years later, I know I always find that interesting. And I guess it comes from living in a point/counterpoint world, where compromise is now a dirty word, but I don’t understand the need to win trades. A fair trade done for logical reasons, where everyone gets what they need, is all I ever ask for from my GM. In other words, I will always consider the Byrd deal a nice piece of business from Alderson, and Huntington, too. They both did what was in the best interests of their franchise at that time.

Jimmy:

I totally agree. I love the Pittsburgh angle on this trade, because they saw opportunity and went for it. Good for them. During the weeks when it looked like Byrd might not be dealt, I was surprised because I strongly felt he could help somebody. The Bucs paid a price to get Byrd — Haybut the moments they’ve already experienced in that stadium don’t come along very often, especially in Pittsburgh. It’s why we have all those cliches: “You’ve got to strike while the fire is hot,” “You’ve got to make hay while the sun shines,” etc.

My favorite trade to discuss is John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander, which I commonly see on “Worst Trades Ever” lists. Career-wise, sure, it’s no comparison. But Alexander delivered to the Tigers everything they hoped to get. He went 9-0 over 11 starts with an ERA of 1.53; Detroit caught the Blue Jays and won the East by one game. Mission accomplished. Unfortunately, they failed to get past the Twins in the playoffs, so they did not get the warm, lasting glow of a World Series championship. Naturally, Smoltz won 210 games and a Cy Young, saved another 154, and was perhaps the greatest big-game starter in postseason history with a 15-4 record. I’ve seen this trade described as “unquestionably one of the worst of all-time for the Detroit Tigers.” I’m not entirely convinced of that, since I think it’s an unfair and inappropriate way to measure a trade. It’s not “unquestionable” from my point of view. Though, obviously, in retrospect you hold on to John Smoltz. But trades are not made in Retrospectland. Instead they occur in the imperfect, messy world of the Here & Now.

Mike:

I’m happy for Byrd, the Pirates, and the Mets. But that’s me, I’ve got a lot of love to share.

Jimmy:

I mentioned last week — in seriousness — that I anticipated seeing a new slogan this winter: nero“Stay the course!” Well, old John Delcos used it in a headline two days ago. It takes a tough man to do nothing. Ask Nero.

Mike:

It can burn you though.

Jimmy:

I see the Marlins are all-in on Jose Abreu, but the smart money says he’ll go to San Francisco. Blind bids are due this Saturday. It’s weird, the numbers quoted range from $45-60 million. It’s a gamble, but that seems pretty cheap. I mean, even the lame & infirm Wilpon-Mets could afford this. Puig signed a 7-year deal for $42 million. I had wanted the Mets to sign Aroldis Chapman back in 2010. He eventually went to the Reds for $30.25 million, six years. I don’t know shit, obviously, but I’d guess the number is going to be in the 80 millions.

Mike:

These numbers are hard to project. Perhaps Abreu benefits from the success of Puig and Cespedes. I don’t know. I do know we could use a big bat and a first baseman. Abreu is a risk, but so is getting out of bed in the morning, yet I did it again today.

Life is short, you have to live a little.

Jimmy:

Christopher Gamble suggests Mike Morse as a possible fit for the Mets. Nowhere in the article Mike Morsedoes he mention the fact that Morse remains rooted to the earth and employs a hatchet instead of a glove. It’s strange. An entire piece of Morse and the Mets and no mention of outfield defense. Haven’t we been down this road before?

Mike:

Back in 2011 I had what the Mets call Baseline Box seats, down the leftfield line. This gave me a wonderful view of Morse butchering ball after ball at Citi Field. My takeaway was that this guy should never play for us, and that was in a year when Morse hit out of his mind.

The Mets shouldn’t even think about Morse.

Jimmy:

You know I love the Metstradamus site. John is just so funny and smart. A true fan. But it’s sad, John seems a little downtrodden lately. In the absence of “Harvey Days,” he suggested a new promotion for 2014: “Quintanilla Under the Stars.” I’m seeing more of a menu-themed promotion: a “Quintanilla Quesadilla” special. This sounds like a future Top Ten List!

Mike:

It is a long winter.

Jimmy:

Speaking of bloggers, Dave Groveman at Mets360 is reviewing the Mets top 25 prospects. I have to say that, overall, I just don’t have a ton of enthusiasm about this 15-11 group. When Jack Leathersich is #11, coming off a 7.76 ERA in Las Vegas, relying heavily on deception, I just The Futurekeep thinking he’s the next Josh Edgin. The faux-prospect. That said, Dave does a great job and this series is always worth reading. I’m grateful it’s out there.

Mike:

Yes, thanks to all of the prospect folks out there. When the present is bleak it is nice to be able to keep an eye on the future.

Jimmy:

Our friend, William Miller, posted a well-written, thoughtful review of what looks like a fascinating look at Ty Cobb — from the perspective of Ty’s own grandson: Heart of a Tiger by Herschel Cobb. It’s quite a story. You know we love baseball books around here, they get us through the winter.

Mike:

Since Madoff, I’ve needed them to get through the summer too. I’m looking for an end to that, Mets.

 

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26 comments

  1. James Preller says:

    Add this to the menu: Toby Stoner “Twice-Baked” Potatoes. And Willie Montenez Famous Soft Pretzel — with Xtra Mustard.

    It’s a historical menu.

  2. Patrick Boegel says:

    That Delcos piece is ridiculous. Did the Yankees “stay the course” going into 1993? I think not. And look what that cat dragged in following.

    Or maybe better said, the course had options. You can’t just blindly ignore 2014 as it may be the best chance to lay some foundation for 2015 and 2016.

  3. Also, he basically says that the Mets don’t have any pitching to trade, but misses the option of signing two pitchers — using Montero — and possibly trading Niese or Gee or Syndergaard or Wheeler or whomever. Not advocating anything specific, but “Staying the course!” sounds so Gerald Ford.

    • Michael Geus says:

      After reading your Ford comment I now can’t get the following headline out of my head:

      Wilpon to Mets fans, Drop Dead

  4. PeeKay15 says:

    Completely agreed; RE: Morse

    He’s also slated for wrist surgery, after getting a second opinion yesterday. Not even touching the defensive angle, I’d be leery of the health one – alone.

    Can’t ever bank on guys swinging with a bad wrist…and he’s not much more than a thumper, anyway.

  5. IB says:

    I don’t see Delcos’s post as an endorsement of “staying the course” at all. Other than the unfortunate title, it’s pretty straight forward, based on the reality of the situation. Alderson does not want to trade young pitching talent according to Delcos. He doesn’t have the bats to trade. So, it’s free agents and continue to stock the minors. I’m not getting what you’re saying here.

  6. I’m saying that after holding up 2014 as the turning point year, that management & their supporters will begin the cry of “Stay the course!” That the calm, rational, patient approach is the only thing left — no other alternatives. Stocking the minors is such a tired description, btw (no offense to you). He drafts guys and signs them and crosses his fingers. That doesn’t in any way distinguish him from the other 29 teams. I question this group’s will to win. It hasn’t been a priority — and staying the course sounds like more of the same to me.

    Is what I’m saying.

  7. IB says:

    I agree completely. Staying the Course is a nightmare. The thought of it going forward is a slow death. Stocking the farm system without stocking the major league squad is an insult to the fans in every way. What I try to say, perhaps not so clearly, is that I don’t see Delcos’ post as an endorsement of Staying The Course. To be honest, I’d never heard of Delcos until today as I’m a 2 Guys Met blog kind of guy.

    • John Delcos has been around and he’s worth reading. He’s not afraid to speak his mind. He’s had a curious career track that I can’t quite follow. I find that I only agree with him about 70% of the time, however, and sometimes strongly disagree.

  8. Eric says:

    I don’t see anything “wild” about adding some base line Major Leaguers who will be here for 3-5 years. They haven’t made a trade or signing of a first line MLB Roster starter. Staying on on track is one thing…staying on ONE Track is ridiculous.

  9. Hey guys, thanks for mentioning my book review about Ty Cobb. I really appreciate it. Here are a couple of other menu options to choose from:

    1) The John “Pickle and Pacella” Club Sandwich
    2) The Pete Falcone and Fries Kids Meal
    3) Wally “Baby-Back Backman” 1/2 Rack of Ribs

    Bon Apetit!

  10. IB says:

    Doc Gooden Plenty. Hey the Road Kill Hebner Special sounds yummy. Comes with Richie’s “secret sauce”.

  11. The Kevin Kobel Koolata.

  12. Terrimac says:

    Hey, can I join in on the food names….everyone else is having too much fun. How about one for one of my favorite players ….
    The “Moooooo-kie Milkshake”

  13. RAFF says:

    OK – we’re at a Baker’s Dozen Defamation of Character Lawsuits. Nice work, men. I’m ‘gonna shotgun a Marvin Miller Light in Celebration… Mmmmm – TASTES GREAT!

  14. James Preller says:

    The Roberto Petagine “Cup of Coffee.”

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